Jessica Alba: "Don't call me Latina!"

[And don't you forget it!]

http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/

Jess baby sez...

"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."

"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."

"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."

"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."

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"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."

- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly


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"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."

- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

[SyVyN11]

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http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...

I'll just call her the same thing I always call her....

CUM WHORE!!!

[Yahoo message boards were best]

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http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...

I'll just call her the same thing I always call her....
CUM WHORE!!!

Rakes one to know one, bitch

[Yahoo message boards were best]

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http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...

I'll just call her the same thing I always call her....
CUM WHORE!!!

Takes one to know one

[Bugman]

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http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...

I'll just call her the same thing I always call her....
CUM WHORE!!!

What does your mom have to do with this?

[bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica]

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http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...

I'll just call her the same thing I always call her....
CUM WHORE!!!

What does your mom have to do with this?

I CALL SYLVIA CUM FACED WHORE, OR JUST BIGOT.

[Emperor Caligula]

As if any of you wouldn't fuck her six ways from Sunday!!

[Thumper]

Post by Emperor Caligula
As if any of you wouldn't fuck her six ways from Sunday!!

I couldn't handle it. She'd probably kill me.
Thumper

[RogerM]

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Post by Emperor Caligula
As if any of you wouldn't fuck her six ways from Sunday!!

I couldn't handle it. She'd probably kill me.
Thumper

Can you think of a BETTER way to go?

[comadreja]

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http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."

I don't speak Gaelic or Norwegian as my ancestors did, but I wouldn't
go out of my way to deny it or proclaim I am 100% American. Whether she
feels American or not, she is popular because of her looks, which appeal
to a wide array of the audience. Keep the myth alive!

She is getting a little tiring, saying that she doesn't get serious
roles, but doesn't want to consider a Hispanic.


Es ironico que cuando yo fuera en Sud America, yo era llamado "el
noruego".

Ahora, es la hora por "Sabado Gigante" los noruegos la mas favorita
programs. La ironica esta rica anoche.

[It's the Principle!]

Post by comadreja

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever
accepted me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any
race specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel
American, and I don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin
actress, OK, but it's not fitting; it would be insincere."

I don't speak Gaelic or Norwegian as my ancestors did, but I
wouldn't
go out of my way to deny it or proclaim I am 100% American.
Whether she feels American or not, she is popular because of her
looks, which appeal to a wide array of the audience. Keep the myth
alive!
She is getting a little tiring, saying that she doesn't get
serious roles, but doesn't want to consider a Hispanic.
Es ironico que cuando yo fuera en Sud America, yo era llamado "el
noruego".
Ahora, es la hora por "Sabado Gigante" los noruegos la mas
favorita programs. La ironica esta rica anoche.

Yes, but those are all anglo-saxon nationalities. What she's saying is
she's half and half, and because of that has been shunned by one for
being half anglo and the other for being half Hispanic. WHen you have
a mix you most certainly can pick on and stick with it, or simply go by
your citizenship as your nationality, and that's what she says she's
doing.

Imagine if Halle Berry decided to embrace and profess pride in her
white half.

[comadreja]

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Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever
accepted me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any
race specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel
American, and I don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin
actress, OK, but it's not fitting; it would be insincere."

I don't speak Gaelic or Norwegian as my ancestors did, but I wouldn't
go out of my way to deny it or proclaim I am 100% American.
Whether she feels American or not, she is popular because of her
looks, which appeal to a wide array of the audience. Keep the myth
alive!
She is getting a little tiring, saying that she doesn't get
serious roles, but doesn't want to consider a Hispanic.
Es ironico que cuando yo fuera en Sud America, yo era llamado "el
noruego".
Ahora, es la hora por "Sabado Gigante" los noruegos la mas
favorita programs. La ironica esta rica anoche.

Yes, but those are all anglo-saxon nationalities. What she's saying is
she's half and half, and because of that has been shunned by one for
being half anglo and the other for being half Hispanic. WHen you have
a mix you most certainly can pick on and stick with it, or simply go by
your citizenship as your nationality, and that's what she says she's
doing.
Imagine if Halle Berry decided to embrace and profess pride in her
white half.

As a movie star and box office draw, she should keep it opaque.
She is just going to piss off one half of her audience. Even though
Salma Hayek and Shakira can be consider Hispanic, both had a parent who
are of Arab descent, Frida Kahlo had a Hungarian/German father and
Mexicans are a whole bunch of different heritages.. I guess what I am
trying to write that she may feel no connection to Hispanics, she may in
the future, and she may want to take a strong Hispanic movie role, and
this type of comment can backfire on her.

For Halle Berry, I think it is a little different, because of the
African American experience, and identity. It is something I can't
really describe, but I know from conversation from friends, you just
feel that one sticks out anywhere one goes, no matter of her parent's
skin color or lineage. I think a better reference would be the TV movie
"The Wedding". Which to me shows the schizophrenia aspect of race
relations in the US.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0143076/

[It's the Principle!]

Post by comadreja
For Halle Berry, I think it is a little different, because of the
African American experience, and identity. It is something I
can't really describe, but I know from conversation from friends,
you just feel that one sticks out anywhere one goes, no matter of
her parent's skin color or lineage.

If Halle simply couldn't relate to blacks, why couldn't she just say
so? WHat I'm saying is that if in Jessica's experience she has nothing
in common with Hispancis, there's no reason for her to fake it. That
would piss off an audience more than simply being honest. I'm ENglish
and Dutch, with assorted other Euro nations. I identify with Dutch
even though it's a much lesser amount. Maybe it's because I'd second
generation, whereas my English has been here for over a hundred years.
Just because I may look more English, or actually be more English (if
you want to confuse a nationality with race), doesn't mean that's the
part I need to put out front and claim as my identity. Like Jessica,
I'm American.

[comadreja]

Post by It's the Principle!
Like Jessica,
I'm American.

I am an American as much as Taco Bell, Budweiser, hot dogs, (ie
Franfurt-ers) Hamburgers (Hamburg) and ketchup ("ketchup" is a Malay
word). Ms. Alba is an American, and I am not trying to deny anyone's
nationality. "Latina" transcends nationality at times and it more of a
cultural label as well.

My point is the irony of labels at time, I don't consider myself
anything but American, given I grew up in the chapparal with
rattlesnakes than fjords and lutefisk. However, I worked in Spanish
speaking countries and having people call me Noruego (Norwegian in
Spanish) As much as we want to control our identity, and in the end, we
have the final say, it gets define by others. Jessica Alba's box
office power is with men, and I think for a public interview, she is
better off to keep herself opaque on the subject. I just see it as the
irony of allure and star power and the reality of who she thinks she is
and how she identifies herself.

[It's the Principle!]

Post by comadreja

Post by It's the Principle!
Like Jessica,
I'm American.

I am an American as much as Taco Bell, Budweiser, hot dogs, (ie
Franfurt-ers) Hamburgers (Hamburg) and ketchup ("ketchup" is a
Malay word). Ms. Alba is an American, and I am not trying to deny
anyone's nationality. "Latina" transcends nationality at times
and it more of a cultural label as well.
My point is the irony of labels at time, I don't consider
myself
anything but American, given I grew up in the chapparal with
rattlesnakes than fjords and lutefisk. However, I worked in
Spanish speaking countries and having people call me Noruego
(Norwegian in Spanish) As much as we want to control our
identity, and in the end, we have the final say, it gets define
by others. Jessica Alba's box office power is with men, and I
think for a public interview, she is better off to keep herself
opaque on the subject. I just see it as the irony of allure and
star power and the reality of who she thinks she is and how she
identifies herself.

"Hot dogs," the common, everyday skinless (and bland) variety with
which we are familiar, is 100% American. If you're going to discount
evolution into the contemporary, beer is Egyptian.

[comadreja]

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Post by It's the Principle!
Like Jessica,
I'm American.

I am an American as much as Taco Bell, Budweiser, hot dogs, (ie
Franfurt-ers) Hamburgers (Hamburg) and ketchup ("ketchup" is a
Malay word). Ms. Alba is an American, and I am not trying to deny
anyone's nationality. "Latina" transcends nationality at times
and it more of a cultural label as well.
My point is the irony of labels at time, I don't consider myself
anything but American, given I grew up in the chapparal with
rattlesnakes than fjords and lutefisk. However, I worked in
Spanish speaking countries and having people call me Noruego
(Norwegian in Spanish) As much as we want to control our
identity, and in the end, we have the final say, it gets define
by others. Jessica Alba's box office power is with men, and I
think for a public interview, she is better off to keep herself
opaque on the subject. I just see it as the irony of allure and
star power and the reality of who she thinks she is and how she
identifies herself.

"Hot dogs," the common, everyday skinless (and bland) variety with
which we are familiar, is 100% American. If you're going to discount
evolution into the contemporary, beer is Egyptian.

Well "Taco Bell" is not exactly Oaxacan cuisine either, and the Aztecs
would had sued for copyright infringment and/or blasphemy.... the
concept derives from something else and time shapes it to its present
form... Much like "Hot Dogs" are a popular food item in some Latin
America countries. I refuse to touch hot dogs since I read that
American Classic, Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" as a teen.

I used "Budweiser" as an example, because how the most American of
Beers, comes from more marketing and image, when the process and name
come from Bohemia. All cultures trade and take what they want, and many
times don't acknowledge where it comes from, but proclaim it as its own
and its own creation. You mentioned you have Dutch ancestry, and of one
of the quintessential Dutch paintings, is Van Gogh, "The Potato Eaters",
using art techniques and styles used by French Artists, (mainly Jean
François Millet) while the eating a food coming from Peru.

Btw, my bet is that the pesky Sumerians created beer, not those nouveau
riche Egyptians, but I think the documentation shows both found about at
the same time.


Sorry, I am going off way tanget, back to Jessica Alba and her yearning
for deep fried snickers, pink flamingos and other foundations of
Americana.

[Mark Nobles]

Post by comadreja
Btw, my bet is that the pesky Sumerians created beer, not those nouveau
riche Egyptians, but I think the documentation shows both found about at
the same time.

I'm pretty sure beer was invented by the first person to store grain in
a pot without a water-tight lid. She probably discovered that sprouts
were tasty in a salad about the same time.

In fact, both these discoveries were probably independently invented
many places and times.

[comadreja]

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Post by comadreja
Btw, my bet is that the pesky Sumerians created beer, not those nouveau
riche Egyptians, but I think the documentation shows both found about at
the same time.

I'm pretty sure beer was invented by the first person to store grain in
a pot without a water-tight lid. She probably discovered that sprouts
were tasty in a salad about the same time.
In fact, both these discoveries were probably independently invented
many places and times.

One also needs enzymes to break down the starches, probably what
Amazonian Indians use for to make their alcoholic beverage: spit,
rather than yeast that brewed the first beer/alcoholic beverages.. (but
I am guessing)

No matter what those uppity Sumerians were the first to write it down..

http://www.coopsmaps.com/beer/ninkasa.html

But I remember reading the Chinese, the Egyptians and other could had
made it around all the same time.

[katorzejames]

WHat I'm saying is that if in Jessica's experience she has nothing

Post by It's the Principle!
in common with Hispancis, there's no reason for her to fake it. That
would piss off an audience more than simply being honest. I'm ENglish
and Dutch, with assorted other Euro nations. I identify with Dutch
even though it's a much lesser amount. Maybe it's because I'd second
generation, whereas my English has been here for over a hundred years.
Just because I may look more English, or actually be more English (if
you want to confuse a nationality with race), doesn't mean that's the
part I need to put out front and claim as my identity. Like Jessica,
I'm American.
Brandy Alexandre

...why should anyone "want to confuse nationality with race"?
i don't know - unless it conveniently serves your non-point...
jessica alba has the right to be as insensitive as she likes but, as
a sensible poster pointed out above, her statements will not serve her
well in the future when she misses out on an "important latina role"
because she has gone out of her way to distance herself from latin
identity.
again, the girl is free to identify as she pleases, but it sounds as
if she is regurgitating her dad's bullshit and wearing her anxiety on
her sleeve re: hollywood casting issues.
she doesn't want to be put in a box, but she might be sorry later
when she's more mature that she spouted off so gauchely.
usually it is only "white" americans who want to downplay their
ethnic roots in favor of a blanket "american" identity.
usually, they are the only ones psychologically able to genuinely
feel this way, because america's default face has always been "white'
- so much so that "white people can literally "forget" that they are
"white".
jessica alba's dad obviously wanted his kids to experience this
dubious privilege and what you hear coming out of her mouth is the
result.
she wants to be viewed as "white-like", like cameron diaz - but she
probably is in denial about her lushly "ethnic" appearance, which
could be viewed as an advantage - not a curse.
i can't believe y'all are dragging the beleaguered miss berry into
this mess.
when halle berry celebrates and represents Blackness, she *is* being
an american.
she acknowleges that she is mixed in every f*cking interview and her
upcoming role playing a real-life schoolteacher who is "white" is an
example of berry finally living up to her mixed-race, universal
potential.
she is happy to be seen as "mixed", and moviegoers will be left
scratching their heads when the decidedly naive jessica alba is seen
visibly chafing at that label as she embarrassingly scratches her way
toward illusory "white" privilege.
as soon as she bleached her hair for fantastic four, she might have
looked in the mirror and realized that america would never see her as
"white".
because of the class-conscious, blinkered manner in which she
apparently was raised, she couldn't even see how cheap that blonde
hair looked!
she wore that shit for more than a year, didn't she?
i really don't think it helped her career outside the province of
maxim magazine.
yeah, mariah carey often looks crazy with blonde hair too.
it's true.
these girls can do what they want, but it's a mistake to fight your
"nature" too hard when you want to be a universal sex symbol.
no one is allowed to label miss alba but herself, but it's crazy to
watch some of you process her issues as if they were your own.

[BTR1701]

Post by katorzejames
these girls can do what they want, but it's a
mistake to fight your "nature"

Why is her "nature" automatically the minority half of her heritage?

Post by katorzejames
no one is allowed to label miss alba but herself

But if she doesn't choose the right (read: approved PC) label, she's
"chafing" and being "naive". I get it.

Post by katorzejames
it's crazy to watch some of you process her issues
as if they were your own.

Which you've just done yourself. Welcome to the loony bin.

[It's the Principle!]

Post by BTR1701

Post by katorzejames
these girls can do what they want, but it's a
mistake to fight your "nature"

Why is her "nature" automatically the minority half of her heritage?

Post by katorzejames
no one is allowed to label miss alba but herself

But if she doesn't choose the right (read: approved PC) label, she's
"chafing" and being "naive". I get it.

Someone else even said she was being insensitive.

Post by BTR1701

Post by katorzejames
it's crazy to watch some of you process her issues
as if they were your own.

Which you've just done yourself. Welcome to the loony bin.

Isn't that ironic? Sheesh.

[katorzejames]

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Post by BTR1701

Post by katorzejames
these girls can do what they want, but it's a
mistake to fight your "nature"

Why is her "nature" automatically the minority half of her heritage?

honey, that's why i put quotes around it.
You People are too literal-minded.
when you have coloring like alba, carey or raquel welch (or even
jayne mansfield) you generally look ridiculous with bleached-blonde
hair.
that's a truism.

Post by It's the Principle!
Someone else even said she was being insensitive.

i said it, and i meant it.
she was needlessly/unwisely alienating her millions of latino fans.
she could have easily said, "i was not raised to be conscious of my
background, but i am proud to represent latinos" and left it at that.
to say more exposes her vulnerability and makes her sound ignorant.>

Post by It's the Principle!
Isn't that ironic? Sheesh.

what do you mean?
spell it out.

[katorzejames]

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The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he
never would be found out. -- Thomas Babington Macaulay

...which is why you so often have elected not to allow your posts to
by archived by google, i suppose.

[katorzejames]

Post by BTR1701

Post by katorzejames
it's crazy to watch some of you process her issues
as if they were your own.

Which you've just done yourself. Welcome to the loony bin.

those *are* my issues.
i am half danish, half Black/creole/cherokee.
having been raised by swedish-americans in a predominantly 'white"
milieu, i fought long and hard to reclaim my identiity as a (mixed)
african american.
i identify as "white" also - just like miss alba - but america will
always see me as brown.
i currently live and work around few Black people, but when i go to
oakland, i fit in and people are happy to see me.
no one tells me to "go back to your country" in oakland!

[BTR1701]

Post by katorzejames

Post by BTR1701

Post by katorzejames
it's crazy to watch some of you process her issues
as if they were your own.

Which you've just done yourself. Welcome to the loony bin.

those *are* my issues.
i am half danish, half Black/creole/cherokee.

Which Alba is not. Therefore your "issues" and hers don't coincide.

[BTR1701]

Post by It's the Principle!
Imagine if Halle Berry decided to embrace and profess pride in her
white half.

Well of course she'd be ostracized. She knows better than that. If
there's one final taboo in modern America, it's to never promote or
extoll anything white.

[Fujikawa Yamamoto]

Post by It's the Principle!
Imagine if Halle Berry decided to embrace and profess pride in her
white half.

Prepares to flip quarter... Heads we get fried chicken and black-eyed
peas, tails we get steak and potatoes. Either way, dessert is going to be
a piece of some really fine looking cheesecake.

[Anim8rFSK]

Post by Fujikawa Yamamoto

Post by It's the Principle!
Imagine if Halle Berry decided to embrace and profess pride in her
white half.

Prepares to flip quarter... Heads we get fried chicken and black-eyed
peas, tails we get steak and potatoes. Either way, dessert is going to be
a piece of some really fine looking cheesecake.

drenched in booze

[Fujikawa Yamamoto]

Post by Anim8rFSK

On 16 Jun 2007, "It's the Principle!"

Post by It's the Principle!
Imagine if Halle Berry decided to embrace and profess pride in her
white half.

Prepares to flip quarter... Heads we get fried chicken and
black-eyed peas, tails we get steak and potatoes. Either way,
dessert is going to be a piece of some really fine looking
cheesecake.

drenched in booze

You wouldn't kick it out of bed unless the floor made less noise.

[BTR1701]

Post by comadreja
I don't speak Gaelic or Norwegian as my ancestors did,
but I wouldn't go out of my way to deny it or proclaim
I am 100% American.

I would. I was born here. I've lived here all my life. I'm American
(with no hyphen). Doesn't matter where my grandparents or other
relatives were from. *They* may have been German or Irish but I'm not.

[katorzejames]

Post by BTR1701

Post by comadreja
I don't speak Gaelic or Norwegian as my ancestors did,
but I wouldn't go out of my way to deny it or proclaim
I am 100% American.

I would. I was born here. I've lived here all my life. I'm American
(with no hyphen). Doesn't matter where my grandparents or other
relatives were from. *They* may have been German or Irish but I'm not.

you are modeling "white privilege", here.
miss alba *wants* to model "white privilege", but it's probably not
going to work.
unfortunately, her parents never taught her the value of her
background and her ethnicity.
she is free to identify as she wishes, but her naivete is showing.
she probably will regret her statements in the future.
Black people usally don't talk like this, because our history as
americans is so harrowing and varied and freighted.
i'm only saying.

[Steven L.]

Post by katorzejames

Post by BTR1701

Post by comadreja
I don't speak Gaelic or Norwegian as my ancestors did,
but I wouldn't go out of my way to deny it or proclaim
I am 100% American.

I would. I was born here. I've lived here all my life. I'm American
(with no hyphen). Doesn't matter where my grandparents or other
relatives were from. *They* may have been German or Irish but I'm not.

you are modeling "white privilege", here.
miss alba *wants* to model "white privilege", but it's probably not
going to work.
unfortunately, her parents never taught her the value of her
background and her ethnicity.
she is free to identify as she wishes, but her naivete is showing.
she probably will regret her statements in the future.
Black people usally don't talk like this, because our history as
americans is so harrowing and varied and freighted.

Depends on which black people.

There are significant numbers of black people whose ancestors had no
history of slavery. Colin Powell and Barak Obama are two famous
examples from politics. Neither one of them is the descendant of black
slaves, but of immigrants (Jamaica and Kenya respectively).

It's gotten to such an absurd point that Barak Obama had to go out of
his way to show he "understands" what the black descendants of slavery
must feel. As if we've come full circle since Martin Luther King and
have reverted to the notion of racial solidarity.

[RogerM]

Post by Steven L.
There are significant numbers of black people whose ancestors had no
history of slavery. Colin Powell and Barak Obama are two famous
examples from politics. Neither one of them is the descendant of black
slaves, but of immigrants (Jamaica and Kenya respectively).

Ah, how do you think the blacks in Jamaica got there?

[It's the Principle!]

Post by Steven L.
Depends on which black people.
There are significant numbers of black people whose ancestors had
no history of slavery. Colin Powell and Barak Obama are two
famous examples from politics. Neither one of them is the
descendant of black slaves, but of immigrants (Jamaica and Kenya
respectively).
It's gotten to such an absurd point that Barak Obama had to go out
of his way to show he "understands" what the black descendants of
slavery must feel. As if we've come full circle since Martin
Luther King and have reverted to the notion of racial solidarity.

Well, to be honest, all "Jamaicans" are immigrants, and the black
populace is descended from slaves. But it's not the same kind of
history American slaves have. Conditions were just different. So I
can see where someone whose family comes from Jamaica generally
couldn't relate to those from the US.

[katorzejames]

Post by It's the Principle!
Well, to be honest, all "Jamaicans" are immigrants, and the black
populace is descended from slaves. But it's not the same kind of
history American slaves have. Conditions were just different. So I
can see where someone whose family comes from Jamaica generally
couldn't relate to those from the US.

listen, when a jamaican or a haitian or an african comes to the US,
they often get "treated like a n*gger" based on their appearance
alone.
while a non-american Black will not have the built-in african
american "mind-thing" holding so many american Black folks back from
reaching our full potential or truly loving ourselves and our people,
they definitely get plenty of opportunities to see how complicated and
fraught life in america can be between Blacks and "whites".
why don't you look out the window?
why don't you read a book?
i don't mean the turner diaries!
brandy, you are just fake and willfully ignorant, through and
through.
i hate to imagine the manner in which you were raised.

[Thumper]

On 17 Jun 2007 21:10:43 GMT, "It's the Principle!"

Post by It's the Principle!

Post by Steven L.
Depends on which black people.
There are significant numbers of black people whose ancestors had
no history of slavery. Colin Powell and Barak Obama are two
famous examples from politics. Neither one of them is the
descendant of black slaves, but of immigrants (Jamaica and Kenya
respectively).
It's gotten to such an absurd point that Barak Obama had to go out
of his way to show he "understands" what the black descendants of
slavery must feel. As if we've come full circle since Martin
Luther King and have reverted to the notion of racial solidarity.

Well, to be honest, all "Jamaicans" are immigrants, and the black
populace is descended from slaves. But it's not the same kind of
history American slaves have. Conditions were just different. So I
can see where someone whose family comes from Jamaica generally
couldn't relate to those from the US.

I'll agree with that. My wife is Jamaican. The main difference is
that there is little discrimination because of race in Jamaica today.
Discrimination in Jamaica is one of economics.
Thumper

[Thumper]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:46:53 GMT, "Steven L."

Post by Steven L.

Post by katorzejames

Post by BTR1701

Post by comadreja
I don't speak Gaelic or Norwegian as my ancestors did,
but I wouldn't go out of my way to deny it or proclaim
I am 100% American.

I would. I was born here. I've lived here all my life. I'm American
(with no hyphen). Doesn't matter where my grandparents or other
relatives were from. *They* may have been German or Irish but I'm not.

you are modeling "white privilege", here.
miss alba *wants* to model "white privilege", but it's probably not
going to work.
unfortunately, her parents never taught her the value of her
background and her ethnicity.
she is free to identify as she wishes, but her naivete is showing.
she probably will regret her statements in the future.
Black people usally don't talk like this, because our history as
americans is so harrowing and varied and freighted.

Depends on which black people.
There are significant numbers of black people whose ancestors had no
history of slavery. Colin Powell and Barak Obama are two famous
examples from politics. Neither one of them is the descendant of black
slaves, but of immigrants (Jamaica and Kenya respectively).

What? Between 1692 and 1807 slaves were the workforce in Jamaica.
Thumper

Post by Steven L.
It's gotten to such an absurd point that Barak Obama had to go out of
his way to show he "understands" what the black descendants of slavery
must feel. As if we've come full circle since Martin Luther King and
have reverted to the notion of racial solidarity.

[BTR1701]

Post by katorzejames

Post by BTR1701

Post by comadreja
I don't speak Gaelic or Norwegian as my ancestors did,
but I wouldn't go out of my way to deny it or proclaim
I am 100% American.

I would. I was born here. I've lived here all my life. I'm American
(with no hyphen). Doesn't matter where my grandparents or other
relatives were from. *They* may have been German or Irish but I'm not.

you are modeling "white privilege", here.

No, I'm "modeling" reality.

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by comadreja
I don't speak Gaelic or Norwegian as my ancestors did,
but I wouldn't go out of my way to deny it or proclaim
I am 100% American.

I would. I was born here. I've lived here all my life. I'm American
(with no hyphen). Doesn't matter where my grandparents or other
relatives were from. *They* may have been German or Irish but I'm not.

It's so cute when the anonymice talk about their imaginary identities.

[Magda]

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:11:19 -0700, in alt.gossip.celebrities, comadreja
<comadreja-***@comcast.net> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... In article <***@news>,
... And don't you forget it! <***@butnotlatina.mx> wrote:
...
... > http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
... >
... >
... > "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
... > me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
... > specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
... > don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
... > not fitting; it would be insincere."
...
...
... I don't speak Gaelic or Norwegian as my ancestors did, but I wouldn't
... go out of my way to deny it or proclaim I am 100% American. Whether she
... feels American or not, she is popular because of her looks, which appeal
... to a wide array of the audience. Keep the myth alive!
...
... She is getting a little tiring, saying that she doesn't get serious
... roles, but doesn't want to consider a Hispanic.
...
...
... Es ironico que cuando yo fuera en Sud America, yo era llamado "el
... noruego".

And here I was, thinking you were female...

... Ahora, es la hora por "Sabado Gigante" los noruegos la mas favorita
... programs. La ironica esta rica anoche.

[l***@my-deja.com]

Post by comadreja

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."

I don't speak Gaelic or Norwegian as my ancestors did, but I wouldn't
go out of my way to deny it or proclaim I am 100% American.

I'm English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh and Swedish and I don't speak any
of those languages. Oh, wait...

[FRANKIE LEE]

Jessica Alba seem to lose the shine and glow from her formerself.
She seems oppressed by evil spirits.

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

[BTR1701]

Post by And don't you forget it!
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has
ever accepted me

I'll accept you. No problem.

[gehtfuct]

She could call herself a bipedal primate. I don't care.

She is so fucking sexy it shouldn't be legal.

[sexyriyaishot]

what to say

[Gooserider]

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

Good for her. She's doing what people are supposed to do-----assimiliating.
If she's second or third generation American born, then she should be fully
Americanized.

[B***@gmail.com]

Post by Gooserider

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

Good for her. She's doing what people are supposed to do-----assimiliating.
If she's second or third generation American born, then she should be fully
Americanized.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

What does "fully Americanized" mean? She should be proud of her
heritage (both American and Latin) not dropping the Latin culture. She
shouldn't be ashamed who she is.

She needs to go back and learn her Latin roots. Her grandparents were
wrong when they decided to drop the Latin culture from their lives.

[w***@gmail.com]

Post by B***@gmail.com
She needs to go back and learn her Latin roots. Her grandparents were
wrong when they decided to drop the Latin culture from their lives.

Her roots are the USA.

I'm born in Africa, but I've only lived there 5 of my 25 years on
earth.

I have my life and my contacts here.

I disagree that just because people are my cousins or aunts or uncles
that I owe them anything (my family is my mum, dad, brother and
sister).

Where Alba's grandparents are from is not necessarily where Alba
should consider herself from.

[Victor Velazquez]

Post by w***@gmail.com

Post by B***@gmail.com
She needs to go back and learn her Latin roots. Her grandparents were
wrong when they decided to drop the Latin culture from their lives.

Her roots are the USA.
I'm born in Africa, but I've only lived there 5 of my 25 years on
earth.
I have my life and my contacts here.
I disagree that just because people are my cousins or aunts or uncles
that I owe them anything (my family is my mum, dad, brother and
sister).
Where Alba's grandparents are from is not necessarily where Alba
should consider herself from.

"What is your name?"

"Butch."

"What does it mean?"

"I'm American honey. Our names don't mean shit."

[BTR1701]

Post by B***@gmail.com

Post by Gooserider

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

Good for her. She's doing what people are supposed to do-----assimiliating.
If she's second or third generation American born, then she should be fully
Americanized.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

What does "fully Americanized" mean? She should be proud of her
heritage (both American and Latin) not dropping the Latin culture. She
shouldn't be ashamed who she is.

There's a difference between not being ashamed and trumpeting it for all
to hear every chance she gets.

Post by B***@gmail.com
She needs to go back and learn her Latin roots. Her grandparents were
wrong when they decided to drop the Latin culture from their lives.

It's their lives, it's their choice how they want to live. It's *you*
who are wrong, as you attempt to make these decisions for others.

[B***@gmail.com]

On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
heritage & culture instead of ditching it? I don't speak a word of
Spanish, but I love Latin American songs.

[BTR1701]

Post by B***@gmail.com
On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
heritage & culture instead of ditching it?

She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
people like her) should be proud of that?

[Magda]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:37:42 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
<***@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... In article <***@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
... ***@gmail.com wrote:
...
... > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!
... > <***@butnotlatina.mx> wrote:
... > > http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
... > >
... > > Jess baby sez...
... > >
... > > "I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
... > > the women just pop them out."
... > >
... > > "My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
... > > person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
... > > tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
... > > be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
... > > speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
... > > I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
... > >
... > > "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
... > > me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
... > > specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
... > > don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
... > > not fitting; it would be insincere."
... > >
... > > "My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
... > > made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
... > > kids to be different."
... > >
... > > -----------------------------------------------
... > >
... > > "George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
... > > says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
... > > has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
... > >
... > > - Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
... > >
... > > ----------------------------------------------
... > >
... > > "Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
... > > grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
... > > though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
... > > whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
... > > or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
... > > less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
... > > call her Latina because she's blonde."
... > >
... > > - Jessica Alba says in a new interview
... >
... > Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
... > be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
... > the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
... > heritage & culture instead of ditching it?
...
... She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
... people like her) should be proud of that?

Because it's not something you have to fight or work hard to obtain.

[Bugman]

Post by Magda
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:37:42 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
...
... > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!
... > > http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
... > >
... > > Jess baby sez...
... > >
... > > "I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
... > > the women just pop them out."
... > >
... > > "My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
... > > person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
... > > tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
... > > be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
... > > speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
... > > I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
... > >
... > > "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
... > > me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
... > > specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
... > > don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
... > > not fitting; it would be insincere."
... > >
... > > "My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
... > > made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
... > > kids to be different."
... > >
... > > -----------------------------------------------
... > >
... > > "George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
... > > says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
... > > has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
... > >
... > > - Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
... > >
... > > ----------------------------------------------
... > >
... > > "Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
... > > grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
... > > though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
... > > whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
... > > or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
... > > less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
... > > call her Latina because she's blonde."
... > >
... > > - Jessica Alba says in a new interview
... >
... > Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
... > be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
... > the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
... > heritage & culture instead of ditching it?
...
... She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
... people like her) should be proud of that?
Because it's not something you have to fight or work hard to obtain.

She's doing just fine

[BTR1701]

Post by Magda
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:37:42 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
...
... > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!
... > > http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
... > >
... > > Jess baby sez...
... > >
... > > "I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
... > > the women just pop them out."
... > >
... > > "My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
... > > person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
... > > tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
... > > be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
... > > speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
... > > I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
... > >
... > > "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
... > > me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
... > > specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
... > > don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
... > > not fitting; it would be insincere."
... > >
... > > "My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
... > > made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
... > > kids to be different."
... > >
... > > -----------------------------------------------
... > >
... > > "George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
... > > says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
... > > has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
... > >
... > > - Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
... > >
... > > ----------------------------------------------
... > >
... > > "Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
... > > grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
... > > though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
... > > whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
... > > or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
... > > less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
... > > call her Latina because she's blonde."
... > >
... > > - Jessica Alba says in a new interview
... >
... > Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
... > be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
... > the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
... > heritage & culture instead of ditching it?
...
... She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
... people like her) should be proud of that?
Because it's not something you have to fight or work hard to obtain.

She didn't have to fight or work hard to obtain her Latin half, either.

[Magda]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:07:10 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
<***@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... In article <***@4ax.com>,
... Magda <***@de> wrote:
...
... > On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:37:42 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
... > <***@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... In article <***@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
... > ... ***@gmail.com wrote:
... > ...
... > ... > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!
... > ... > <***@butnotlatina.mx> wrote:
... > ... > > http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
... > ... > >
... > ... > > Jess baby sez...
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
... > ... > > the women just pop them out."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only
... > Hispanic
... > ... > > person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
... > ... > > tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids
... > to
... > ... > > be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
... > ... > > speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation
... > American,
... > ... > > I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever
... > accepted
... > ... > > me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
... > ... > > specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and
... > I
... > ... > > don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but
... > it's
... > ... > > not fitting; it would be insincere."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
... > ... > > made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
... > ... > > kids to be different."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > -----------------------------------------------
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
... > ... > > says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But
... > he
... > ... > > has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > - Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
... > ... > >
... > ... > > ----------------------------------------------
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
... > ... > > grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
... > ... > > though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
... > ... > > whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular
... > race
... > ... > > or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down,
... > I'm
... > ... > > less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people
... > don't
... > ... > > call her Latina because she's blonde."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > - Jessica Alba says in a new interview
... > ... >
... > ... > Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
... > ... > be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
... > ... > the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
... > ... > heritage & culture instead of ditching it?
... > ...
... > ... She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
... > ... people like her) should be proud of that?
... >
... > Because it's not something you have to fight or work hard to obtain.
...
... She didn't have to fight or work hard to obtain her Latin half, either.

Nothing to be "proud" of, then.

[BTR1701]

Post by Magda
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:07:10 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
...
... > On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:37:42 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
... >
... > ... In article
... > ...
... > ... > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!
... > ... > > http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
... > ... > >
... > ... > > Jess baby sez...
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
... > ... > > the women just pop them out."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only
... > Hispanic
... > ... > > person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
... > ... > > tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids
... > to
... > ... > > be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
... > ... > > speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation
... > American,
... > ... > > I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever
... > accepted
... > ... > > me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
... > ... > > specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and
... > I
... > ... > > don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but
... > it's
... > ... > > not fitting; it would be insincere."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
... > ... > > made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
... > ... > > kids to be different."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > -----------------------------------------------
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
... > ... > > says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But
... > he
... > ... > > has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > - Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
... > ... > >
... > ... > > ----------------------------------------------
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
... > ... > > grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
... > ... > > though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
... > ... > > whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular
... > race
... > ... > > or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down,
... > I'm
... > ... > > less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people
... > don't
... > ... > > call her Latina because she's blonde."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > - Jessica Alba says in a new interview
... > ... >
... > ... > Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
... > ... > be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
... > ... > the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
... > ... > heritage & culture instead of ditching it?
... > ...
... > ... She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
... > ... people like her) should be proud of that?
... >
... > Because it's not something you have to fight or work hard to obtain.
...
... She didn't have to fight or work hard to obtain her Latin half, either.
Nothing to be "proud" of, then.

Then why bother with the issue at all? Let's face it, no one has to
fight or work hard to obtain their genetics. It's all pretty much handed
to you when the sperm meets the egg.

[B***@gmail.com]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Magda
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:07:10 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
...
... > On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:37:42 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
... >
... > ... In article
... > ...
... > ... > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!
... > ... > >http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
... > ... > >
... > ... > > Jess baby sez...
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
... > ... > > the women just pop them out."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only
... > Hispanic
... > ... > > person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
... > ... > > tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids
... > to
... > ... > > be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
... > ... > > speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation
... > American,
... > ... > > I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever
... > accepted
... > ... > > me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
... > ... > > specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and
... > I
... > ... > > don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but
... > it's
... > ... > > not fitting; it would be insincere."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
... > ... > > made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
... > ... > > kids to be different."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > -----------------------------------------------
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
... > ... > > says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But
... > he
... > ... > > has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > - Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
... > ... > >
... > ... > > ----------------------------------------------
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
... > ... > > grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
... > ... > > though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
... > ... > > whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular
... > race
... > ... > > or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down,
... > I'm
... > ... > > less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people
... > don't
... > ... > > call her Latina because she's blonde."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > - Jessica Alba says in a new interview
... > ... >
... > ... > Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
... > ... > be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
... > ... > the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
... > ... > heritage & culture instead of ditching it?
... > ...
... > ... She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
... > ... people like her) should be proud of that?
... >
... > Because it's not something you have to fight or work hard to obtain.
...
... She didn't have to fight or work hard to obtain her Latin half, either.
Nothing to be "proud" of, then.

Then why bother with the issue at all? Let's face it, no one has to
fight or work hard to obtain their genetics. It's all pretty much handed
to you when the sperm meets the egg.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I'm not talking about genetics. I'm refering to the Latin culture.
When she said "Don't call me Latina!," that means she is ashamed of
being a Latina and wants nothing to do with being a Latin.

[BTR1701]

Post by B***@gmail.com

Post by BTR1701

Post by Magda

Post by BTR1701

Post by Magda

Post by BTR1701
She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone
ever suggest she (or other people like her)
should be proud of that?

Because it's not something you have to fight
or work hard to obtain.

She didn't have to fight or work hard to obtain
her Latin half, either.

Nothing to be "proud" of, then.

Then why bother with the issue at all? Let's face
it, no one has to fight or work hard to obtain
their genetics. It's all pretty much handed
to you when the sperm meets the egg.

I'm not talking about genetics. I'm refering to the Latin culture.

One does have to fight and work hard for that, either. If one is born
into a Latin family, it comes naturally. It's certainly not a struggle.

Post by B***@gmail.com
When she said "Don't call me Latina!," that means she is ashamed of
being a Latina and wants nothing to do with being a Latin.

No, it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. The words themselves
certainly don't objectively say or imply that. Everything else is a
private matter that only Alba knows the truth of.

Exactly how is it that you purport to be able to ascertain thoughts,
feelings and emotions that can reasonably be known only to Alba herself?

[B***@gmail.com]

Post by BTR1701

Post by B***@gmail.com

Post by BTR1701

Post by Magda

Post by BTR1701

Post by Magda

Post by BTR1701
She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone
ever suggest she (or other people like her)
should be proud of that?

Because it's not something you have to fight
or work hard to obtain.

She didn't have to fight or work hard to obtain
her Latin half, either.

Nothing to be "proud" of, then.

Then why bother with the issue at all? Let's face
it, no one has to fight or work hard to obtain
their genetics. It's all pretty much handed
to you when the sperm meets the egg.

I'm not talking about genetics. I'm refering to the Latin culture.

One does have to fight and work hard for that, either. If one is born
into a Latin family, it comes naturally. It's certainly not a struggle.

Post by B***@gmail.com
When she said "Don't call me Latina!," that means she is ashamed of
being a Latina and wants nothing to do with being a Latin.

No, it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. The words themselves
certainly don't objectively say or imply that. Everything else is a
private matter that only Alba knows the truth of.
Exactly how is it that you purport to be able to ascertain thoughts,
feelings and emotions that can reasonably be known only to Alba herself?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

What do you think it means to you?

[BTR1701]

Post by B***@gmail.com

Post by B***@gmail.com

Post by BTR1701

Post by Magda

Post by BTR1701

Post by Magda

Post by BTR1701
She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone
ever suggest she (or other people like her)
should be proud of that?

Because it's not something you have to fight
or work hard to obtain.

She didn't have to fight or work hard to obtain
her Latin half, either.

Nothing to be "proud" of, then.

Then why bother with the issue at all? Let's face
it, no one has to fight or work hard to obtain
their genetics. It's all pretty much handed
to you when the sperm meets the egg.

I'm not talking about genetics. I'm refering to the Latin culture.

One doesn't have to fight and work hard for that, either. If one is born
into a Latin family, it comes naturally. It's certainly not a struggle.

Post by B***@gmail.com
When she said "Don't call me Latina!," that means she is ashamed of
being a Latina and wants nothing to do with being a Latin.

No, it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. The words themselves
certainly don't objectively say or imply that. Everything else is a
private matter that only Alba knows the truth of.
Exactly how is it that you purport to be able to ascertain thoughts,
feelings and emotions that can reasonably be known only to Alba herself?-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

What do you think it means to you?

What it means to me is irrelevant. It's what it means to her that
matters.

But the phrase *could* mean that she merely considers it inaccurate.
Shame is not necessarily involved.

[B***@gmail.com]

Post by BTR1701

Post by B***@gmail.com

Post by B***@gmail.com

Post by BTR1701

Post by Magda

Post by BTR1701

Post by Magda

Post by BTR1701
She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone
ever suggest she (or other people like her)
should be proud of that?

Because it's not something you have to fight
or work hard to obtain.

She didn't have to fight or work hard to obtain
her Latin half, either.

Nothing to be "proud" of, then.

Then why bother with the issue at all? Let's face
it, no one has to fight or work hard to obtain
their genetics. It's all pretty much handed
to you when the sperm meets the egg.

I'm not talking about genetics. I'm refering to the Latin culture.

One doesn't have to fight and work hard for that, either. If one is born
into a Latin family, it comes naturally. It's certainly not a struggle.

Post by B***@gmail.com
When she said "Don't call me Latina!," that means she is ashamed of
being a Latina and wants nothing to do with being a Latin.

No, it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. The words themselves
certainly don't objectively say or imply that. Everything else is a
private matter that only Alba knows the truth of.
Exactly how is it that you purport to be able to ascertain thoughts,
feelings and emotions that can reasonably be known only to Alba herself?-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

What do you think it means to you?

What it means to me is irrelevant. It's what it means to her that
matters.
But the phrase *could* mean that she merely considers it inaccurate.
Shame is not necessarily involved.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

1. Why would she even make such a statement? She certainly wouldn't
say "Don't call me American?" It is not inaccurate to call her Latina.
She is who she is.

2. She is relieved to let go of her Latin roots when she has "finally
cut loose" of her Latin background. Notice, she used the word
*finally.* That was no slip up. She actively made the decision to
"finally cut loose" from her Latin roots.

3. If someone calls her a Latina, it is considered "insincere."
Insincere is a very strong word. Again, she was very clear in choosing
that word.


She didn't unconsciously or passively make this decision, but instead
she made the decision proactively to cut her ties from her Latin
background.

[David Johnston]

Post by B***@gmail.com

Post by BTR1701
But the phrase *could* mean that she merely considers it inaccurate.
Shame is not necessarily involved.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

1. Why would she even make such a statement? She certainly wouldn't
say "Don't call me American?"

Mostly because she considers herself to be American.

Post by B***@gmail.com
It is not inaccurate to call her Latina.

Doesn't it define her by a small fraction of her ancestry?

[RogerM]

Post by David Johnston
Mostly because she considers herself to be American.

That, and the fact that it would destroy her career.

[B***@gmail.com]

Post by RogerM

Post by David Johnston
Mostly because she considers herself to be American.

That, and the fact that it would destroy her career.

Thank you, Roger. I appreciate that point. Like it would destroy
Jennifer Lopez's career.

[David Johnston]

Post by B***@gmail.com
I'm not talking about genetics. I'm refering to the Latin culture.
When she said "Don't call me Latina!," that means she is ashamed of
being a Latina and wants nothing to do with being a Latin.

Really? Why can't it mean that she doesn't speak Spanish and has no
interest in identity politics?

[Thumper]

Post by B***@gmail.com

Post by BTR1701

Post by Magda
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:07:10 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
...
... > On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:37:42 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
... >
... > ... In article
... > ...
... > ... > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!
... > ... > >http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
... > ... > >
... > ... > > Jess baby sez...
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
... > ... > > the women just pop them out."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only
... > Hispanic
... > ... > > person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
... > ... > > tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids
... > to
... > ... > > be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
... > ... > > speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation
... > American,
... > ... > > I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever
... > accepted
... > ... > > me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
... > ... > > specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and
... > I
... > ... > > don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but
... > it's
... > ... > > not fitting; it would be insincere."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
... > ... > > made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
... > ... > > kids to be different."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > -----------------------------------------------
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
... > ... > > says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But
... > he
... > ... > > has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > - Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
... > ... > >
... > ... > > ----------------------------------------------
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
... > ... > > grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
... > ... > > though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
... > ... > > whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular
... > race
... > ... > > or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down,
... > I'm
... > ... > > less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people
... > don't
... > ... > > call her Latina because she's blonde."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > - Jessica Alba says in a new interview
... > ... >
... > ... > Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
... > ... > be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
... > ... > the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
... > ... > heritage & culture instead of ditching it?
... > ...
... > ... She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
... > ... people like her) should be proud of that?
... >
... > Because it's not something you have to fight or work hard to obtain.
...
... She didn't have to fight or work hard to obtain her Latin half, either.
Nothing to be "proud" of, then.

Then why bother with the issue at all? Let's face it, no one has to
fight or work hard to obtain their genetics. It's all pretty much handed
to you when the sperm meets the egg.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I'm not talking about genetics. I'm refering to the Latin culture.
When she said "Don't call me Latina!," that means she is ashamed of
being a Latina and wants nothing to do with being a Latin.

Nonsense.
Thumper

[Thumper]

Post by Magda
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:37:42 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
...
... > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!
... > > http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
... > >
... > > Jess baby sez...
... > >
... > > "I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
... > > the women just pop them out."
... > >
... > > "My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
... > > person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
... > > tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
... > > be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
... > > speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
... > > I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
... > >
... > > "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
... > > me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
... > > specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
... > > don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
... > > not fitting; it would be insincere."
... > >
... > > "My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
... > > made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
... > > kids to be different."
... > >
... > > -----------------------------------------------
... > >
... > > "George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
... > > says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
... > > has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
... > >
... > > - Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
... > >
... > > ----------------------------------------------
... > >
... > > "Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
... > > grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
... > > though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
... > > whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
... > > or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
... > > less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
... > > call her Latina because she's blonde."
... > >
... > > - Jessica Alba says in a new interview
... >
... > Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
... > be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
... > the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
... > heritage & culture instead of ditching it?
...
... She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
... people like her) should be proud of that?
Because it's not something you have to fight or work hard to obtain.

That's really nonsense. It depends where you grow up and what kind of
schools you go to. Most kids of mixed descent get shit on by both
sides while growing up. They're called wetback by the whites and
gringo by the Mexicans.
Thumper

[Magda]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:33:23 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, Thumper
<***@comcast.net> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 16:49:53 +0200, Magda <***@de> wrote:
...
... >On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:37:42 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
... ><***@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... In article <***@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
... > ... ***@gmail.com wrote:
... > ...
... > ... > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!
... > ... > <***@butnotlatina.mx> wrote:
... > ... > > http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
... > ... > >
... > ... > > Jess baby sez...
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
... > ... > > the women just pop them out."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
... > ... > > person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
... > ... > > tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
... > ... > > be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
... > ... > > speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
... > ... > > I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
... > ... > > me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
... > ... > > specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
... > ... > > don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
... > ... > > not fitting; it would be insincere."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
... > ... > > made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
... > ... > > kids to be different."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > -----------------------------------------------
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
... > ... > > says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
... > ... > > has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > - Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
... > ... > >
... > ... > > ----------------------------------------------
... > ... > >
... > ... > > "Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
... > ... > > grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
... > ... > > though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
... > ... > > whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
... > ... > > or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
... > ... > > less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
... > ... > > call her Latina because she's blonde."
... > ... > >
... > ... > > - Jessica Alba says in a new interview
... > ... >
... > ... > Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
... > ... > be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
... > ... > the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
... > ... > heritage & culture instead of ditching it?
... > ...
... > ... She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
... > ... people like her) should be proud of that?
... >
... >Because it's not something you have to fight or work hard to obtain.
...
...
... That's really nonsense.

Oh, indeed. You did *nothing* to be born Mexican/Chinese/Austrian/whatever - what is there
to be "proud" of?

[Copasetic]

Post by Thumper

Post by Magda
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:37:42 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
...
... > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!
... > > http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
... > >
... > > Jess baby sez...
... > >
... > > "I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
... > > the women just pop them out."
... > >
... > > "My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
... > > person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
... > > tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
... > > be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
... > > speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
... > > I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
... > >
... > > "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
... > > me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
... > > specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
... > > don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
... > > not fitting; it would be insincere."
... > >
... > > "My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
... > > made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
... > > kids to be different."
... > >
... > > -----------------------------------------------
... > >
... > > "George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
... > > says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
... > > has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
... > >
... > > - Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
... > >
... > > ----------------------------------------------
... > >
... > > "Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
... > > grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
... > > though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
... > > whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
... > > or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
... > > less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
... > > call her Latina because she's blonde."
... > >
... > > - Jessica Alba says in a new interview
... >
... > Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
... > be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
... > the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
... > heritage & culture instead of ditching it?
...
... She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
... people like her) should be proud of that?
Because it's not something you have to fight or work hard to obtain.

That's really nonsense. It depends where you grow up and what kind of
schools you go to. Most kids of mixed descent get shit on by both
sides while growing up. They're called wetback by the whites and
gringo by the Mexicans.
Thumper

I know a guy who is half Mexican (he's olive-skinned, brown eyes & hair),
and he said he was called weddo by his Mexican-American friends while
growing up. He said he was accepted by both sides but said he got a
little flack for not being able to speak or understand Spanish (his
MA father only understood the language but could not speak it.)

[It's the Principle!]

Post by Copasetic
I know a guy who is half Mexican (he's olive-skinned, brown eyes &
hair), and he said he was called weddo by his Mexican-American
friends while growing up. He said he was accepted by both sides
but said he got a little flack for not being able to speak or
understand Spanish (his MA father only understood the language but
could not speak it.)

I met a guy in the elevator a few days ago who was small, dark skin,
with bright blue eyes. His ID tag read something similar to Wolfgang
Rodriguez.

Some parents have a real sense of humor.

[Magda]

On 17 Jun 2007 17:31:14 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "It's the Principle!"
<***@kittylitternewsguy.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... Copasetic <***@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.gossip.celebrities:
...
... >
... > I know a guy who is half Mexican (he's olive-skinned, brown eyes &
... > hair), and he said he was called weddo by his Mexican-American
... > friends while growing up. He said he was accepted by both sides
... > but said he got a little flack for not being able to speak or
... > understand Spanish (his MA father only understood the language but
... > could not speak it.)
... >
...
... I met a guy in the elevator a few days ago who was small, dark skin,
... with bright blue eyes. His ID tag read something similar to Wolfgang
... Rodriguez.
...
... Some parents have a real sense of humor.

Not that they knew, when they named him, that his eyes would *not* change colour.

[doomella]

Post by Magda
... I met a guy in the elevator a few days ago who was small, dark skin,
... with bright blue eyes. His ID tag read something similar to Wolfgang
... Rodriguez.
...
... Some parents have a real sense of humor.
Not that they knew, when they named him, that his eyes would *not* change colour.

What are you saying? That if they thought his eyes might turn brown they'd
have called him Jesús?

[Magda]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 16:49:25 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "doomella"
<***@hotmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... "Magda" <***@de> wrote in message
... news:***@4ax.com...
...
... > ... I met a guy in the elevator a few days ago who was small, dark skin,
... > ... with bright blue eyes. His ID tag read something similar to Wolfgang
... > ... Rodriguez.
... > ...
... > ... Some parents have a real sense of humor.
... >
... > Not that they knew, when they named him, that his eyes would *not* change
... > colour.
...
... What are you saying? That if they thought his eyes might turn brown they'd
... have called him Jesús?

Missing the point, aren't you?

[doomella]

Post by Magda
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 16:49:25 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "doomella"
...
...
... > ... I met a guy in the elevator a few days ago who was small, dark skin,
... > ... with bright blue eyes. His ID tag read something similar to Wolfgang
... > ... Rodriguez.
... > ...
... > ... Some parents have a real sense of humor.
... >
... > Not that they knew, when they named him, that his eyes would *not* change
... > colour.
...
... What are you saying? That if they thought his eyes might turn brown they'd
... have called him Jesús?
Missing the point, aren't you?

Could be. It's equally likely that you didn't do a particularly stellar job
providing one.
I know that brevity is the essence of wit and all, but a sharp, dry, witty
minimalist retort only packs a punch if it's sharp and witty.

[Magda]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:42:36 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "doomella"
<***@hotmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... "Magda" <***@de> wrote in message
... news:***@4ax.com...
... > On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 16:49:25 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "doomella"
... > <***@hotmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ...
... > ... "Magda" <***@de> wrote in message
... > ... news:***@4ax.com...
... > ...
... > ... > ... I met a guy in the elevator a few days ago who was small, dark
... > skin,
... > ... > ... with bright blue eyes. His ID tag read something similar to
... > Wolfgang
... > ... > ... Rodriguez.
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... Some parents have a real sense of humor.
... > ... >
... > ... > Not that they knew, when they named him, that his eyes would *not*
... > change
... > ... > colour.
... > ...
... > ... What are you saying? That if they thought his eyes might turn brown
... > they'd
... > ... have called him Jesús?
... >
... > Missing the point, aren't you?
...
... Could be. It's equally likely that you didn't do a particularly stellar job
... providing one.

I know. Sometimes seem to I expect people to read my thoughts, sorry!

... I know that brevity is the essence of wit and all, but a sharp, dry, witty
... minimalist retort only packs a punch if it's sharp and witty.
...

[doomella]

Post by It's the Principle!
I met a guy in the elevator a few days ago who was small, dark skin,
with bright blue eyes. His ID tag read something similar to Wolfgang
Rodriguez.
Some parents have a real sense of humor.

That's actually very common in Brazil. The guy--by both his name and
description--sounds like he could be Brazilian-German descent. There are
tons of Brazilians walking around with names like Helmut de Souza or João
Paulo Schürmann.

[It's the Principle!]

Post by doomella

Post by It's the Principle!
I met a guy in the elevator a few days ago who was small, dark
skin, with bright blue eyes. His ID tag read something similar
to Wolfgang Rodriguez.
Some parents have a real sense of humor.

That's actually very common in Brazil. The guy--by both his name
and description--sounds like he could be Brazilian-German descent.
There are tons of Brazilians walking around with names like Helmut
de Souza or João Paulo Schürmann.

One of the actors I worked with in Brazil was Wanderley and a Brazilian
last name I can't remember. Probably the mix as you describe.

[Magda]

On 17 Jun 2007 22:32:26 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "It's the Principle!"
<***@kittylitternewsguy.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... doomella <***@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.gossip.celebrities:
...
... >
... > "It's the Principle!" <***@kittylitternewsguy.com> wrote in
... > message news:***@64.209.0.81...
... >
... >> I met a guy in the elevator a few days ago who was small, dark
... >> skin, with bright blue eyes. His ID tag read something similar
... >> to Wolfgang Rodriguez.
... >>
... >> Some parents have a real sense of humor.
... >
... >
... > That's actually very common in Brazil. The guy--by both his name
... > and description--sounds like he could be Brazilian-German descent.
... > There are tons of Brazilians walking around with names like Helmut
... > de Souza or João Paulo Schürmann.
... >
... >
...
... One of the actors I worked with in Brazil was Wanderley and a Brazilian
... last name I can't remember. Probably the mix as you describe.

Cardoso? ;)

[Anim8rFSK]

Post by Copasetic

Post by Thumper

Post by Magda
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:37:42 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, BTR1701
...
... > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!
... > > http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
... > >
... > > Jess baby sez...
... > >
... > > "I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
... > > the women just pop them out."
... > >
... > > "My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
... > > person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
... > > tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
... > > be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
... > > speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
... > > I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
... > >
... > > "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
... > > me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
... > > specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
... > > don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
... > > not fitting; it would be insincere."
... > >
... > > "My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
... > > made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
... > > kids to be different."
... > >
... > > -----------------------------------------------
... > >
... > > "George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
... > > says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
... > > has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
... > >
... > > - Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
... > >
... > > ----------------------------------------------
... > >
... > > "Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
... > > grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
... > > though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
... > > whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
... > > or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
... > > less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
... > > call her Latina because she's blonde."
... > >
... > > - Jessica Alba says in a new interview
... >
... > Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
... > be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
... > the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
... > heritage & culture instead of ditching it?
...
... She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
... people like her) should be proud of that?
Because it's not something you have to fight or work hard to obtain.

That's really nonsense. It depends where you grow up and what kind of
schools you go to. Most kids of mixed descent get shit on by both
sides while growing up. They're called wetback by the whites and
gringo by the Mexicans.
Thumper

I know a guy who is half Mexican (he's olive-skinned, brown eyes & hair),
and he said he was called weddo by his Mexican-American friends while
growing up. He said he was accepted by both sides but said he got a
little flack for not being able to speak or understand Spanish (his
MA father only understood the language but could not speak it.)

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_049.html

in part:

Dear Cecil:

I found your column on racial designations interesting and thought I
could help clarify or confuse the issue even more by sending you the
Mexican list of names for the possible mixtures of races. These are the
basis of the caste system in Mexico. There is also a series of paintings
to accompany this, so that those unable to read could at least get an
idea of the racial features. The pictures also give an idea of the kind
of work assigned to a person of that caste. -- Brother Edward Loch,
S.M., San Antonio, Texas

Dear Bro Ed:

Holy cow. The list, which is from Las Castas Mexicanas by Maria
Concepcion Garcia Saiz (1989), gives names for more than two dozen
racial/ethnic combinations. These range from the well-known mulatto
(white/black) and mestizo (white/Indian) to zambo (Indian/black or
mulatto), morisco (white/mulatto), and albino (white/morisco). Then you
get into ahi te estas (mulatto/mestizo coyote--don't ask), albarazado,
barcino, calpamulato, cambujo, and on and on. Clearly Americans aren't
the only ones obsessed with their neighbors' pedigrees.

[RogerM]

Post by Thumper
That's really nonsense. It depends where you grow up and what kind of
schools you go to. Most kids of mixed descent get shit on by both
sides while growing up. They're called wetback by the whites and
gringo by the Mexicans.
Thumper

Which shows that hate and bigotry have no race or colour.

[katorzejames]

Post by RogerM
Which shows that hate and bigotry have no race or colour.

i hope that (banal, if true) notion gives you some comfort.
we are just as rotten as thee!

[B***@gmail.com]

Post by BTR1701

Post by B***@gmail.com
On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
heritage & culture instead of ditching it?

She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
people like her) should be proud of that?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Yes, she is proud to be white as she should, but she's not so proud of
being a Latina. Why?

[Copasetic]

Post by B***@gmail.com

Post by BTR1701

Post by B***@gmail.com
On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
heritage & culture instead of ditching it?

She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
people like her) should be proud of that?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Yes, she is proud to be white as she should, but she's not so proud of
being a Latina. Why?

Does she specifically mention being Danish in interviews?

[B***@gmail.com]

Post by Copasetic

Post by B***@gmail.com

Post by BTR1701

Post by B***@gmail.com
On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
heritage & culture instead of ditching it?

She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
people like her) should be proud of that?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Yes, she is proud to be white as she should, but she's not so proud of
being a Latina. Why?

Does she specifically mention being Danish in interviews?
--
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Well, if she's Danish she should be proud of being Danish too. By
ditching the Latin and Danish counterparts from her heritage &
culture, she is essentially saying she's ashamed of being Latin and
Danish. She should learn a thing or two about both cultures.

[Thumper]

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On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
heritage & culture instead of ditching it?

She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
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Yes, she is proud to be white as she should, but she's not so proud of
being a Latina. Why?

Does she specifically mention being Danish in interviews?
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Well, if she's Danish she should be proud of being Danish too. By
ditching the Latin and Danish counterparts from her heritage &
culture, she is essentially saying she's ashamed of being Latin and
Danish.

That's not true at all.
Thumper

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She should learn a thing or two about both cultures.

[David Johnston]

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Yes, she is proud to be white

She didn't say that.

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Yes, she is proud to be white

She didn't say that.

Read the article.

[David Johnston]

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Yes, she is proud to be white

She didn't say that.

Read the article.

I did. There is no statement in it that says or suggests that she's
"proud to be white".

[BTR1701]

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On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
heritage & culture instead of ditching it?

She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
people like her) should be proud of that?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Yes, she is proud to be white as she should, but she's not so proud of
being a Latina. Why?

She neither said she was proud to be white nor that she's not proud of
being Latin.

[Thumper]

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On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
heritage & culture instead of ditching it?

She's also half-white. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest she (or other
people like her) should be proud of that?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Yes, she is proud to be white as she should, but she's not so proud of
being a Latina. Why?

As she said. She was raised exclusively as a white. She cannot
relate to a heritage that she was not exposed to.
Thumper

[CliffB]

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On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, And don't you forget it!

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

Yikes, isn't "Don't call me Latina!" an insult to Latins? She better
be prepared for a good fight from the Latin community. George Lopez is
the first in line. Shouldn't she be proud of her Latin (and American)
heritage & culture instead of ditching it? I don't speak a word of
Spanish, but I love Latin American songs.

Can we still call her "talentless bimbo"?

Or "Overrated bimbo with a great ass who makes sure to always have it
on display for paparazzi, and in her spare time blabs away in an inane
manner to anyone who will listen"?

[rwa2play, The Northern Lariat]

I still call her HAWT!

[GregoryD]

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I still call her HAWT!

And looks absolutely ridiculous with blonde hair.

GregoryD

[RogerM]

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Post by rwa2play, The Northern Lariat
I still call her HAWT!

And looks absolutely ridiculous with blonde hair.
GregoryD

Not a good look, I agree. It doesn't suit dark-skinned women.

Did she tan a LOT in the last few years? She looked very white to me in
'Idle Hands'.

[Copasetic]

Pictures of Alba shopping with her parents in Beverly Hills in early June
http://www.jessicaalbaonline.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=random&cat=12&pos=-633
http://www.jessicaalbaonline.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=64&pos=27

02/June/2007 After lunch at the trendy Urth cafe, actress Jessica Alba feeds
the meter on her hybrid car and heads to one of her favorite stores,
'Harmony Lane' in Beverly Hills,Ca for some afternoon shopping. Accompanied
by her parents, the "Fantastic Four" star spent over an hour in the store
trying out various outfits before leaving with several full bags.

[azindn]

On Jun 16, 6:25 pm, And don't you forget it!

Post by And don't you forget it!
http://perezhilton.com/topics/jessica_alba/
Jess baby sez...
"I've got cousins galore. Mexicans just spread all their seeds. And
the women just pop them out."
"My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic
person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He
tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to
be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't
speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American,
I feel as if I have finally cut loose."
"My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted
me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race
specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I
don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's
not fitting; it would be insincere."
"My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He
made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his
kids to be different."
-----------------------------------------------
"George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad
says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he
has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him."
- Jessica "Don't Call Me Latina" Alba, as quoted in Us Weekly
----------------------------------------------
"Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My
grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and
though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my
whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race
or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm
less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't
call her Latina because she's blonde."
- Jessica Alba says in a new interview

In reading all the discussions I think on point that is missed in the
race discussion is the issue of class.
Ms. Alba's grandfather and parents were from California and college
educated. They reflect the class
division between what is preceived as "wetback" Mexicans and Chicano
"beaners" and "lowriders" of
East L.A. and probably the educated Latino community.

Her grandfather's education distinguished him in the California social
strata which viewed the
brown skinned person of that era as either the gardner or his wife as
the maid. Obviously, Ms. Alba's
grandfather wanted his grandchildren not to have the problems of the
prejudices towards the brown
skinned Californians who were targets of the white, e.g., Anglo-
European social and class system that
dominated California.

Because she has only benefited from the mixed racial ancestry of her
parents and
her grandfather's decisions, she does not seem to fully recognize how
a minimally
talented actress as herself is successful in a city where "exotic"
looking mixed race women with big butts are commercially
commodifiable.
That Ms. Alba points to Cameron Diaz's blonde looks in contrast to her
own smacks of envy and just alittle self-pity.
Too bad grandpa didn't emphasize a good education for his dunce
granddaughter whose big mouth just swallowed
the whole hurache.

[d***@yahoo.com]

- Jessica Alba says in a new interview - <

Friday morning for the matinee showing i went to see the new Fantatsic
4 Movie, loved it, went out for a good lunch and came home happy and
satisfied at another well made comic book movie. That night as i sat
down to watch the news on Univision (Primer Impacto), the corespondent
made a comment that the new Fantastic 4 movie opened staring the
latina star Jessica Alba, although she denies she is a Latina. He then
went on to say that she forgets one thing, that her father is Mexican.
My day was ruined. I wanted my money back. Some girl i've never met
just fucked up my whole weekend. Why did she make this comment?

What this young girl needs to remember is that when she makes coments
like the one's stated here that it has a detrimental effect on the
Hispanic community.

She feels, through her personal experiences, not a member of the
Hispanic/Mexican American community, that she was never Mexican enough
for people.
She feels that her last name is the only thing Mexican about her.
She feels that not speaking Spanish makes her more American than
Latin.

I sympathize with her growing up and people both Hispanic and Anglo
being mean to her for being of mixed race. Get used to it. It happens
to us all no matter what the ethnic group we claim.
It's not the fault of the entire race in question when a few dumb
people come to the fore front proving how dumb they are.

I understand when she says she didn't have a lot in common with most
other Latino's growing up so she rather think of herself as American
and could accept her condition better.
When we claim ourselves as Mexican or Latino/Hispanic it does not
reflect our nationality, but our enthnic (Mexican), racial group
(Latino). It wouldn't matter if i were born in Bakersfield, Belarus or
Bali Hai, I'm still a Mexican. And guess what Jess... so are you like
it or not.

Your experiences are neither unique nor new. Even if they were,
because of who you are, makes them another part of the continually
growning Mexican American/ Latino experience here in these United
States.
All of us have family relations of some mixed heritage regardless of
the ethnic/racial group. I myself have MexiRicans, Blaxicans, and of
course ***@s to name a few.
We are a Mestizo race of mixed European and Native blood. To what
amount or degree depends on your families personal and private history
and experience. But in the end doesn't matter much. I personaly have
an adopted relation who is chinese by blood, but raised since a todler
as a natural born child to my very Mexican cuzin'. Guess what? yup you
got it he's as Mexican as I and pround of it. As a matter of fact
Chino just got married recently to a beautiful young Chicana girl and
expect their first child this summer.

That's why last names don't make much difference either. Wether my
last name were Spanish, Portugese, French, Italian.... whatever, it's
not what it is that's important it's what you are inside. Which is why
i'm not angry any more as much as i'm realy sad for Jess. I pity the
man who can't come to terms with who they are and reconcile that fact
with how they are perceived in society. But she is young and there is
always time.

As for the whole speaking Spanish thing.
It's true that the Mexican dialect(s) is(are) a very important aspect
of the Mexican identity, a fact i think that many of my people have
forgotten unfortunatly. But give it up Jess... I am fluent in 6
languages including Mandarin Chinese and Standard Japanese, languages
from a peoples that i have no ethnic or racial ties too. Learn the
language if it bothered you that much. It's not hard girl, like my
grandfather used to say.."even a parrot can learn spanish." -
translated for the masses.

{end of rant}

A member of your people who still claims your dumb ass;
Because there is allways hope
and pople can learn,
Enrique Alberto Palacios Pereida Quetzalitztli

[David Johnston]

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I understand when she says she didn't have a lot in common with most
other Latino's growing up so she rather think of herself as American
and could accept her condition better.
When we claim ourselves as Mexican or Latino/Hispanic it does not
reflect our nationality, but our enthnic (Mexican), racial group
(Latino). It wouldn't matter if i were born in Bakersfield, Belarus or
Bali Hai, I'm still a Mexican. And guess what Jess... so are you like
it or not.
Your experiences are neither unique nor new. Even if they were,
because of who you are, makes them another part of the continually
growning Mexican American/ Latino experience here in these United
States.
All of us have family relations of some mixed heritage regardless of
the ethnic/racial group. I myself have MexiRicans, Blaxicans, and of
We are a Mestizo race of mixed European and Native blood. To what
amount or degree depends on your families personal and private history
and experience. But in the end doesn't matter much. I personaly have
an adopted relation who is chinese by blood, but raised since a todler
as a natural born child to my very Mexican cuzin'. Guess what? yup you
got it he's as Mexican as I and pround of it.

So you're saying he's rejecting his Chinese identity because he's
ashamed of it?

[Shevek]

Post by d***@yahoo.com
I understand when she says she didn't have a lot in common with most
other Latino's growing up so she rather think of herself as American
and could accept her condition better.
When we claim ourselves as Mexican or Latino/Hispanic it does not
reflect our nationality, but our enthnic (Mexican), racial group
(Latino). It wouldn't matter if i were born in Bakersfield, Belarus or
Bali Hai, I'm still a Mexican. And guess what Jess... so are you like
it or not.

Why do you declare yourself a Mexican and not a Spanish (from Spain)
or a Indian? Aren't you a Spanish like it or not?