Does Val Kilmer have a drug habit?

[RichA]

No? Then why is he acting in all those second-tier movies? I thought
he was still A-list?
His spiral is beginning to remind me of Ray Liotta. Inexplicably, a
great actor goes down into the B-list.

[Harkness]

He's apparently a pain in the ass to work with, and there aren't very
many "hits" that once can attribute to Val's presence, so he winds up
in trash like Mind Hunters. OTOH, he was great in Mamet's Spartan.

John Harkness

[Rich]

Post by Harkness
He's apparently a pain in the ass to work with, and there aren't very
many "hits" that once can attribute to Val's presence, so he winds up
in trash like Mind Hunters. OTOH, he was great in Mamet's Spartan.
John Harkness

Yes, Spartan was very good, in large part because of his performance.
-Rich

[tomcervo]

"He's apparently a pain in the ass to work with, and there aren't very
many "hits" that once can attribute to Val's presence, so he winds up
in trash like Mind Hunters. OTOH, he was great in Mamet's Spartan."

Right. He's basically a handsome character actor. He may not ever fill
a movie house the way that Tom Crazed or Our Lord Tom Hanks can, but
given a decent script he'll give a much more interesting performance.
But things like "Spartan" barely last a week in a theatre, while the
MI's 1-3 are there until the film is fused onto the reels.

[trotsky]

Post by Harkness
He's apparently a pain in the ass to work with, and there aren't very
many "hits" that once can attribute to Val's presence, so he winds up
in trash like Mind Hunters. OTOH, he was great in Mamet's Spartan.

"I'm just a worker bee."

Mamet has some of the most quotable dialogue ever.

[PastaLover]

Post by RichA
No? Then why is he acting in all those second-tier movies? I thought
he was still A-list?
His spiral is beginning to remind me of Ray Liotta. Inexplicably, a
great actor goes down into the B-list.

Just whom do you put on the A-list these days?

It's not just Kilmer. It's all of Hollywood. No, not about the drug
thing, but the spiral... All of Hollywood is dying a long slow death.

[RichA]

Its an interesting point. DVD, movies on demand, etc, may be giving us
a false picture of the popularity of Hollywood. Sure, overall dollars
are up,
year upon year, but only because buying movies in various forms is so
easy. Movies in the home now function as "background noise" to have on
when doing something else, its so easy to obtain them.
However, the real popularity of movies as a source of entertainment
is likely way off what it was years ago.

[Tom Zielinski]

Post by RichA
Its an interesting point. DVD, movies on demand, etc, may be giving us
a false picture of the popularity of Hollywood. Sure, overall dollars
are up,
year upon year, but only because buying movies in various forms is so
easy. Movies in the home now function as "background noise" to have on
when doing something else

I never watch a film as "background noise." That's reserved for baseball
perhaps, or one of the news channels. Do people really watch films in that
manner? Film as a medium (as well as a DVD) demands focused attention.
That explains why people get annoyed at the cinema when others *do* treat
the film as background to their primary goal of talking, checking their
cell, or obliviously opening a cellophane candy wrapper.

I saw "Mulholland Falls" for the first time last night. I'm not a huge
Lynch fan, but it was intriguing and Watts is gorgeous. Anyway, a lot was
going on in that film and I can't imagine getting much out of the experience
if I had been distracted.

[trotsky]

Post by RichA
No? Then why is he acting in all those second-tier movies? I thought
he was still A-list?
His spiral is beginning to remind me of Ray Liotta. Inexplicably, a
great actor goes down into the B-list.

Rich, even people that are full of shit would say you're full of shit.
From my perspective, Liotta did "Narc", and Kilmer did "Spartan"--two
of my favorite movies from the last 5 years or so. Your mileage may
vary, but from what I'm seein' you have yet to put gas in your car if
you catch my drift.

[RichA]

They've also shown up in some pretty cheezy movies to.
Try looking past your own tastes to see the whole picture.

[trotsky]

Post by RichA
They've also shown up in some pretty cheezy movies to.
Try looking past your own tastes to see the whole picture.

This is a newsgroup about films. Name the fucking films.

[Harkness]

let's see, for Liotta, there's Turbulence, Muppets from Space,
Operation Dumbo Drop, and Control

For Kilmer, Mind Hunters, Blind Horizon, Red Planet, and what was that
movie where he played the blind guy opposite Mira Sorvino?

John Harkness

[RichA]

Looking at Kilmer's recent movies from IMDB, he really seems to be
trying to out-movie
some of the best of the B-grade actors:

# Agent One-Half (2007) (pre-production) .... Lance Stone
# The Poison Rose (2006) (pre-production) (in negotiations) .... Carson
Mitchell
# Coin Locker Babies (2006) (pre-production)
# Alpha Numeric (2006) (pre-production)
# Dark Matter (2006) (pre-production)
# Deja Vu (2006) (filming)
# Delgo (2006) (post-production) (voice) .... Bogardus
# Summer Love (2006) (post-production) .... The Wanted Man
# The Ten Commandments (2006) (completed)

[trotsky]

Post by RichA
Looking at Kilmer's recent movies from IMDB, he really seems to be
trying to out-movie
# Agent One-Half (2007) (pre-production) .... Lance Stone
# The Poison Rose (2006) (pre-production) (in negotiations) .... Carson
Mitchell
# Coin Locker Babies (2006) (pre-production)
# Alpha Numeric (2006) (pre-production)
# Dark Matter (2006) (pre-production)
# Deja Vu (2006) (filming)
# Delgo (2006) (post-production) (voice) .... Bogardus
# Summer Love (2006) (post-production) .... The Wanted Man
# The Ten Commandments (2006) (completed)

Which are the B grade actors that did "The Ten Commandments" again?
Also, I'm not sure if you know this, but the words "pre-production" are
in no way indicative of the quality of a movie. HTH.

[Rich]

Post by trotsky

Post by RichA
Looking at Kilmer's recent movies from IMDB, he really seems to be
trying to out-movie
# Agent One-Half (2007) (pre-production) .... Lance Stone
# The Poison Rose (2006) (pre-production) (in negotiations) .... Carson
Mitchell
# Coin Locker Babies (2006) (pre-production)
# Alpha Numeric (2006) (pre-production)
# Dark Matter (2006) (pre-production)
# Deja Vu (2006) (filming)
# Delgo (2006) (post-production) (voice) .... Bogardus
# Summer Love (2006) (post-production) .... The Wanted Man
# The Ten Commandments (2006) (completed)

Which are the B grade actors that did "The Ten Commandments" again?

I only recognize one other actor in it aside from Kilmer.
-Rich

[trotsky]

Post by Rich

Post by trotsky

Post by RichA
Looking at Kilmer's recent movies from IMDB, he really seems to be
trying to out-movie
# Agent One-Half (2007) (pre-production) .... Lance Stone
# The Poison Rose (2006) (pre-production) (in negotiations) .... Carson
Mitchell
# Coin Locker Babies (2006) (pre-production)
# Alpha Numeric (2006) (pre-production)
# Dark Matter (2006) (pre-production)
# Deja Vu (2006) (filming)
# Delgo (2006) (post-production) (voice) .... Bogardus
# Summer Love (2006) (post-production) .... The Wanted Man
# The Ten Commandments (2006) (completed)

Which are the B grade actors that did "The Ten Commandments" again?

I only recognize one other actor in it aside from Kilmer.

Lay off the crack pipe when you post.

[shawn]

Post by Rich

Post by trotsky

Post by RichA
Looking at Kilmer's recent movies from IMDB, he really seems to be
trying to out-movie
# Agent One-Half (2007) (pre-production) .... Lance Stone
# The Poison Rose (2006) (pre-production) (in negotiations) .... Carson
Mitchell
# Coin Locker Babies (2006) (pre-production)
# Alpha Numeric (2006) (pre-production)
# Dark Matter (2006) (pre-production)
# Deja Vu (2006) (filming)
# Delgo (2006) (post-production) (voice) .... Bogardus
# Summer Love (2006) (post-production) .... The Wanted Man
# The Ten Commandments (2006) (completed)

Which are the B grade actors that did "The Ten Commandments" again?

I only recognize one other actor in it aside from Kilmer.

Maybe it is a low budget production that he got involved with because
of his religious beliefs. I came across him on some religious channel
reading from the Bible and a few other books. It appeared that the
entire show was just him reading from these books so he must be a
strong believer.